Battlezone 1

I got a download manager that could resume downloads where they left off in the event of a dropped connection.

Tried BzE.

Even though I've been against it, I decided to give it the benefit of the doubt and try it.

It's AWESOME!!!
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If you like getting a UE constantly.

Pros:

1. No MDM bug. Mortar is substituted.

2. Game runs same speed regardless of FPS counter.

3. Graphics are a bit better.

4. Pressing I on tanks can tell you what exact tank they are. (BDog Grizzly, Stealth Tank, etc.)

5. "/system on" reveals IP addresses.

6. Anti-poser in game. Can't join if you're a poser.

Cons:

1. No Single Player campaign.

2. Constant crashing with Unhandled Exception if you ever press ESC, then return to or leave game.

3. Bdog skins removed. Bdog units look like NSDF.

4. Snipe bug. 2 or more kills per snipe. Also, sniper dot is off... it took me many shots before I ever got my first snipe.

5. reaper snipe hacks in-game. He gets snipes often, and even got 2 in a row. (on different people)

6. Game is quite divided. I couldn't select Chinese vehicles with Coliseum selected. "Colliseum", mis-spelled.

7. "/system on" reveals IP addresses.

8. Kill credit bug.

9. Anti-poser in game. Can't join if you're being posed.

I got BzE and installed it. Eventually, reaper and a few others started a DM on Singularity and I joined with BDog Grizzly. My Reticle disappeared when I fired. I told reaper and he told me what to fix in render.cfg. I left the game (to go fix render.cfg) and got a UE. I changed render and rejoined game. Disappearing reticle fixed. From then on, I couldn't seem to get any kills. I would finish Jester off, and the kill would go to reaper. I would then be destroyed by reaper. I would rarely succeed on a snipe despite trying at every opportunity. Must have made dot smaller than 0.5. I could snipe a tank holding still no problem, but could barely hit a moving tank. I think it might be the increased sniper rotation speed throwing me off. When I DID get snipes, it often gave me 2 kill credits even though I only shot once. Anyway, we continued the DM and I got many kills of which I got no credit for. In the air a lot, attempting snipes, only managed 1 air snipe on reaper. He got snipes whenever he wanted, although I didn't get sniped very often. Everybody said "gg" and left eventually, and I then left and got another UE. I rejoined lobby and told reaper about the constant crashing. He says it's 640x480 resolution. He lies. I play BZ 1.4 in 640x480 resolution, and no problems. BzE is simply buggy.

He may have fixed many bugs, but strat is ruined, the game is unstable, and has new bugs.

Just today I tried to join a DM in BzE and I crashed.

I could not rejoin, because it still showed me in-game, and the anti-poser kept me out.

The cons outweigh the pros.

It can't be called complete without single player to practice on.

BzE 1.1 is BattleZone Error 1.1.

I am proud to say that I will be sticking with original BZ.

I have already made a post in Games in General on the Game Maker Community Forums that should help draw in more players.

He isn't lying about the resolution. It's well known bug that exsists in bz1.0 on xp. If your ingame resolution does not match your desktop resolution, when you hit escape menu, you will crash when u try to leave it.

Solution: either change res or run game in /win mode.

Well, I run BZ 1.4 in hardware mode fullscreen 640x480 no crashing.

BzE either has incorrect render settings by default (my reticule disappeared 1st time), or a new bug that wasn't in 1.4.

Once again, this 640x480 crash does NOT happen in 1.4.

All my settings are correct in 1.4.

When trying silly mods from "Reaper's House of Hacks" I use different approach than most people. First thing I do after installation is open ChangeLog. There I can see things he admitted he changed. I read all carefully, mark with red all things that he shouldn't have changed and finally, I launch the game. Then I start looking for the things he didn't mention in his log...

Most people never read about the changes and all they check while playing is graphics. Who normal can care about the graphics in Bz?! This game is 10,5 years old and nobody, nobody, plays it because of the graphics. We play it because since the first time installed it in 1998, on our P2 300Mhz with 8MB graphic card, we experience that strange, but pleasant feeling, every time we look at the green screen again. We played some great video games in meantime, but Bz was the only game we were coming back after all these years, with the same passion, like the first day we tried it.

We still remember the day when we saw furies for the first time or the day when we finished NSDF campaign (on medium). Excitement when we got The Red Odyssey expansion and a disappointment when we got a game named Bz 2, which had nothing to do with our bellowed Bz1.

This guy reaper is trying to sell us same BS as those Pandemic guys. He called it BzE, but in fact it's BzR(eaper). That's not Bz we bought, that's not Bz we played for all these years. I hate Bz2 but I find it more playable than BzE. He's trying to present BzE as Bz + fixes but that's the biggest lie since the weapons of mass destruction in Iran. BzE is not even Bz1. It's more Bz2 - something, with all those funny ships in it.

Strat in BzE is completely ruined. I found 40 things in changelog he shouldn't have changed. I found even few more while I was playing. I never felt so stupid, like that day in BzE strat. (Before someone says that I don't like it because I can't do well as I do in Bz, you should know that, even opponents were easy, I won that strat.)

I'll mention just a few changes I don't like: scrap values are totally altered (reaper lied in the ChangeLog that I suggested those silly values), turret has 2 chainguns/miniguns, CCA gun tower has only 1 hard point (chaingun) which fires 200m, NSDF walker fires 300m, flash gun is stronger than SP Stabbber, you need a pilot if you want to build a factory or armory. He replaced Bz1 scrap with Bz2 scrap, he replaced pilots sounds with his "working out" sounds. He added blast to the NSDF. Etc. Etc.

He also removed Single Player completely, so you can't even practice those silly changes.

I tried DM too. He added rave to Singularity, he changed life of mines. And the most important, he introduced a new bug... after a while single snipe starts counting as 4 snipes, so basically, it's possible to get 12 snipes with 3 shots you have. I would rather play Bz with a snipe hacker. There I would at least have 12 chances to avoid him in the game or I would use a firewall and host hack proof game. In BzE you can play with your best friend and get sniped 12 times in a row, because of a new bug reaper created.

(Before someone says that I don't like it because I can't do well as I do in Bz, you should know that I was kicked from a 7 players game by reaper when my score in a stock Grizzly on Coli was 30-60 and 2nd best was something like 40-40. I had around 15 snipes and only one was multiple, but I recieved 3-4 of those. Reaper had around 20 snipes with 7-8 multiple. I was also teamed by FOX, Grinder and reaper. I loved it. I didn't cry, I just spawned them few times in return.)

Yes, he fixed few things with the tools he stole from Activision, but he broke even more. He apparently fixed E-W bug, but, by now, we all learned to check the radar, to see if we're standing E-W, before firing a shot. Ppl will continue doing that even in BzE too. Not shooting E-W from a big distance is written in our brains now. That bug is a part of Bz, equal for all, and although it would be better that it never existed, we learned to live with it, we adapted. So it can't be a reason for us to switch to a silly mod.

Reaper is also bragging how he fixed hacking, but that's BS. He only stopped ODF hacks. Even games from 2008 are not immune on memory hacks, can you imagine what a memory hack can do to BzE?
I already saw 2 guys using a memory hack in BzE, GenX and reaper. It's just a matter of time when others will start to do it. Danny is hacking Bz for a year now, trying to force us to move there. You think he's doing that to be able to play us without hacks? Please, use your head.

Also, since I installed BzE I keep crashing in Bz. Many ppl experience the same problem. Seems that something in BzE is interfering with Bz, so when you are done experimenting with BzE I suggest you to uninstall it.

BzE is out for a 10 days now. During first few days I saw a lot of standard players there, testing it out. Because of that Bz has suffered a lot, ppl were joining Bz lobby while you were testing silly ISDF bazookas and they were soon leaving to other games (not to BzE), while thinking Bz is dead.

Like expected, in the last few days, most came back to Bz. Soon, only BFT and reaper will fly their silly Mantas in BzE, while normal ppl will play Corner Pocket and Coliseum in Bz 1.4. Certain damage was done to Bz in the last 10 days, but Bz had rough times before and we are still alive.
With every hour spent in BzE you are helping reaper to destroy Bz. We will never all move there so think about it hard; do you want to be a part of Bz destruction team, Team reaper? We are too small, and if Bz community splits, both games will die.

I would give my full support to Bz 1.5 (Bz + fixes), move instantly there and never look back. But BzE is based on Bz 1.3, it's not an upgrade, it's a downgrade.

Spork, I'm glad you were able to get the download manager as I suggested to get BzE running. Many people had lots of trouble getting BZ to run on different systems, myself included. 1.4 would never work for me on my windows systems after I upgraded from my 8 meg video cards in 640/480, now I have to match 800/600 desktop and game or I get ue's in 1.4 on my systems. BzE is more complex in that it has 4 races instead of 2 with many more ships and weapons. It more closely resembles a newer version. Sometimes I don't get credit in 1.4 either. It happened yesterday in WOD on 1.4. I get better framerates on my xp computer than on my win98 computer in BzE and it requires a bit more speed for it to work well in the BzE Strategies. There may be more fixes on the way but for now even with its flaws BzE has some really great innovations over regular 1.4. I don't see where 1.4 is growing. BzE is impressive to me. 1.4 will always be fun but BzE just has more potential and many great innovations that are badly needed such as better host controls and a huge variety of ships, maps, and ai games. Maybe you just need to change a setting. There is no reason to become disgruntled. Come and play fair in BzE if your computer and connection will allow you to. Otherwise try and play fair in 1.4

Well said Mr. Spock.

BzE is a downgrade. Minelayers costing 6 scrap is not good, considering that experienced stratters are used to it costing 4. Costing pilots for production units is another added mistake. Factory is not a drivable vehicle, you cannot ask factory to pick you up and drive factory. Same for armory.

Why should we re-learn strat just to play a BZ mod? I'm not going to.

I was happy to see that Grizzly had mortar instead of MDM, but everything else outweighed that beneficial change.

BDog units just aren't the same without the skins.

Grinder, I gave BzE a chance. I am a fair person now (perhaps TOO fair), and I temporarily ignored everything bad I'd heard about reaper and his mod. It failed me.

I didn't want to be a so-called "flocker" as you put it, I wanted to see BzE for myself. Mr. Spock did the same. We gave BzE a chance.

When I say I'm a fair person, that includes my BZ habits. I no longer hack at all. I did that last year, but it got me nowhere. It's much more satisfying to be good at a game than to cheat and pretend to be good. Besides, it's against my beliefs to cheat, so when I realized that, I abandoned all hacks I ever used. Besides, my original intent was to cheat other cheaters, but we have seen that it was all for naught.

When you're ready to BZ seriously...

...I'll see you in the zone...

...The BZ 1.4 zone.

I love BzE's built-in IP tracer...


We already knew this, but nobody plays BzE!

There may be 15 names in the lobby, but they all are the same person.

Found that the source of the crashing in BZ 1.4 and BzE was Z buffer setting.

No point in having Z buffer on in 1.4. Reticule disappears. If you play without disappearing reticule, BZ 1.4 won't crash in 640x480.

Well, it appears that BzE is stable with correct settings, which reaper forgot to make default.

That doesn't change the fact that strat is ruined in BzE. Minelayers cost 6 scrap rather than 4, meaning every 2 minelayers you build, you lose:

1 Scavenger
OR
4 repair powerups
OR
4 ammo powerups
etc...

You might think "Gee, 2 scrap isn't much" and if that's your attitude, you don't know BZ strat and you don't know that every unit of scrap is valuable.

There aren't ever any games up in BZ anymore...

Out of boredom, I made this:



Do me a favor and make me less bored.

Play BZ 1.4. MAKE A GAME!

Unless... you're afraid?

Hehe.

Spork that's sad there's no games in BZ anymore. Guess what? There's been plenty gaming action in BzE. Lots of games. I've had about 4 strategies and around 10 to 12 dm games a day in there. Its fun trying out all the new ships not available before in BzE. Also, many old players are returning, one said he bought BZ way back when it first came out and had never played a multiplayer in Battlezone before he played it in BzE. I had the honor of playing him online first. Think bad about BzE if you want but while you are bored I am playing and having great games in BzE. If you want to hang around in 1.4 fine. Its good for single player, but you may have to come to BzE for a fair Multiplayer game.

Nope, it was only temporary while some tried out BzE.

BZ 1.4 is now seeing more action than BzE. I have never seen a single strat in BzE, and I won't strat in BzE because strat is broken.

When you want to play REAL BZ, I'll see you in BZ 1.4.

Lies are not allowed on this forum! If you want to lie go post on BZC, with the rest of the lying dummies. One more lie here and you are done with (lying) BzE promotion. Same goes for the large fonts and different colors of the whole posts. Not allowed!

On BZC, I'm not allowed to even say that Bz 1.4N is released. Reaper deletes, edits (with lies) and locks those topics right away. Ban those who posted it. You should be happy that you can write about BzE here. Don't test me how long will I tolerate your lies.

The truth from this weekend:


Nobody's playing BzE. Only reaper testing bugs with few YG dummies. People gave up on that silly mod when they saw what reaper did to strat (completely ruined) and DM (12 snipes for 3). Besides, reaper was hacking BzE few days ago and got caught. He might sustain himself from hacking for a while now, but he likes hacks so much that soon he will start doing it again. Along with his hack buddies Genx, Danny and Assman.

When I see Assman, notorious memory hacker, with 15 accounts in BzE lobby I know what's the time. He managed to hack it and now he's promoting it by posing 14 players, pretending someone is there, calling all on a hack fest.



BzE is a complete joke. Grinder, you are (BZC) clown, that's why you like it.

BTW, reaper is fully aware that BzE is a failure. Yesterday he even played few games of Bz, cause he was bored in empty BzE lobby. He played tweaked and hacked of course, just to force us to move there. He was in ultra fast Ram with snipe hack, bragging about his kills. We banned him soon and continued playing without him, without hacks.

wraith = reaper
bze promoter = assman

Yep, BzE Fails:

BzE 1.11 is out.

I'm not going to bother downloading it. It's probably no different than BzE 1.1.

Somebody who knows can post what is changed.

BZE 1.11 is without a doubt better then 1.4. It runs smoother online, I can actually run this on my machine, Battlezone 1.4 I could not run any longer on my system no matter what I did. On strats you've got 4 races, more units, better weapons. No cheats online. Of course the game isn't what you want if your looking for single player mode. I've ran it a bunch of times with no gliches. On the lowest resolution there is problems but you should have NO business running it on that resolution anyways to be honest, it's flat out bad. That's about the only gliche I can think of. The people complaining about how much minelayers cost (lol) I dont know if its the same for every race, but I could careless. This game rocks. The ONLY thing holding it back is the fact that people are either in denial or don't like that you can't cheat, oh and it needs more people playing on it. So get over there and download it.

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Please don't spam BzE links around this forum.

We don't want 4 races in multiplayer! That is not stock BZ.

If we want that... we play The Red Odyssey. There is NSDF, BDogs, CCA, and CRA.

WE WANT ANTI-CHEAT AND FIXES FOR 1.4/1.5.

But reaper refuses.

What we don't want is unnecessary strat changes and people like you spamming a link to a different game on this forum. Go advertise on the BzE forum:

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We don't play BzE for the same reasons we don't play Warcraft: It's a different game.

The creator of the BzE mod demo (reaper AKA Dx) is one of the hackers in BZ 1.4.

It's hypocrisy... A hacker claiming that he will level the playing field.

I saw him hack snipe in his own mod.

Despite the hypocrisy, I would gladly play 1.5 Patch is if were made the way it's SUPPOSED to, without the unnecessary crap, with single player intact, etc.